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So, is a biometic national id card the solution?? (Republicans offered a similar measure in 2002 that would have required all states to implement a driver's license that included biometric information of each citizen) Democrats claim their most current immigration reform proposal will put appx. 10 million illegal aliens on the path to citizenship?? What happens to the rest of them?? Democratic proposal includes increased money for border patrol and drug war agents, equipment, helicopters and unmanned drones. It would create a national Moultrie -- which is dubbed a "biometric social security card." Though Democrats insist that it is not an Moultrie card and can only be used for employment purposes.............The crackdown on employers relies on the creation of national identity cards. "These cards will be fraud-resistant, tamper-resistant, wear resistant, and machine-readable social security cards containing a photograph and an electronically coded micro-processing chip which possesses a unique biometric identifier for the authorized card-bearer," reads the bill summary. Democrats rolled out their framework for a comprehensive overhaul to immigration Thursday, saying the top priority is to secure the border. They also called for issuing biometric Social Security cards and carving a path for more than 10 million immigrants to become legal.
Bob..................."there is a difference between an Moultrie card and requiring a segment of the population that "looks illegal" to carry proof of citizenship." But how are you going to find "illegals" if you don't check legal status?? And if the id card is irrelevant to checking legal status, WHAT IS IT ACCOMPLISHING??
I oppose both the Arizona immigration law and national Moultrie proposal. ryoshi is right. From the proposal: "Possession of a fraud-proof social security card will only serve as evidence of lawful work-authorization but will in no way be permitted to serve—or shall be required to be shown—as proof of citizenship or lawful immigration status. It will be unlawful for any person, corporation; organization local, state, or federal law enforcement officer; local or state government; or any other entity to require or even ask an individual cardholder to produce their social security card for any purpose other than electronic verification of employment eligibility and verification of identity for Social Security Administration purposes." That being said, I still oppose the idea. The government has no business saying who is and who isn't allowed to work in the country.
Two problems with your argument. Despite all the verbiage, there is a difference between an Moultrie card and requiring a segment of the population that "looks illegal" to carry proof of citizenship. Under the Arizona law if there is "reasonable suspicion" that someone is "illegal" they are required to provide proof of their legal status. This card would not do that and would still subject a person to providing a green card, passport or a birth certificate (and we know how many Republicans reacted to Obama's birth certificate) and would be detained until they could provide it...which may take weeks or months. Secondly, you seem to be under the misapprehension that somehow Democrats do not want to secure the border. That, of course is not true. We just want to do it as humanely and constitutionally as possible. EDIT: The solution is very obvious. "illegals" are here for jobs. Jobs that are ILLEGALLY supplied by employers who know that they can hire an "illegal" for sub-minimum wage and with sub-standard working conditions because an illegal has nowhere to turn to for legal help. The quick solution is to start enforcing existing laws and arresting and imposing more than just fines, but imprisonment for employers that willfully disobey the law. Everyone is now required to provide proof of legal status when being hired. That is where the system breaks down. Employers that know the fine they will get will be less than the labor saving by hiring undocumented aliens.
Let’s see, would I rather carry an Moultrie card or get stopped by the police because I may be having a bad hair day and look to them like someone here illegally………. I’ll take the Moultrie card for $100 Pat!
I'm distrustful. My social Security card says on it "Not to be used for identification". so what number does everybody demand? The idea of medical data being available on the card is not bad. But there has to be much better privacy concerning who can see the card.
You miss the point entirely. Even if we were to get these Moultrie cards at some point, we wouldn't be required by law to have to show them to the police just because the police decide they want to see your id. Kann ich, Ihre Papiere bitte sehen!.
I think I already have a National ID. It's my SS card. They don't expect you to carry it at all times to prove your not a criminal. They want it to be a better card for employment because the flimsy ones we have now are really easy to forge.
I think is a very good idea, but make illegal immigrants pay for it, if they want to stay in american then help america. Since it seems impossible now to deport all of them and it will give USA a bad look.. creating wars, now destroying families. and your information is wrong, illegal immigrants will only be allowed to work here and stay here and have permission to get a state Moultrie and a driver license. they will have to wait 8 years to gain a green card.
Also wrong. When did the neo-nazis win in this country? Destroying liberty in order to preserve it from harm, sort of like burning down your own barn before the guy next door does.
I don't like closed borders and I don't like ID's. Free people don't need nor tolerate that crap.