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The United States is a Nation of Immigrants but where do we draw the line when it come to illegal Immigration. If the Federal Government took the initiatives and made those who are here illegally Permanent Inhabitants, will that stop the flood of illegal immigrants to this Country, whether by border crossing illegally or via Non Immigrant Visa Recipients who over stay their visits. Now with all that said, although the State of Arizona isn’t the only State with Illegal Immigration problems, do you think the State of Arizona is being undemocratic towards anyone who it's Authorities suspected to be in this country illegally, or is it pure and simple racial profiling toward Hispanics.
Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070 which I voted for and was just signed by Governor Jan Brewer. Rancher Rob Krantz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a month ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the border violence, here is just some of the highlights from those who testified. The ... See Morepeople who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles. Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug trains. One man told of two illegal's who came upon his property one shot in the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the ranch and they can't leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left when they come back. The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can take them back across the border. Federal prisons have over 35% illegal's and 20% of Arizona prisons are filled with illegal's. In the last few years 80% of our law enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal. The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people coming they are not just those who are looking for work and a better life. The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help the border states. We have been over run and once they are here we have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education cost have been over a billion dollars. The healthcare cost billions of dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many serious decisions to make. One is that we do not have the money to care for any who are not here legally. It has to stop. The border can be secured. We have the technology we have the ability to stop this invasion. We must know who is coming and they must come in an organized manner legally so that we can assimilate them into our population and protect the sovereignty of our country. We are a nation of laws. We have a responsibility to protect our citizens and to protect the integrity of our country and the government which we live under. I would give amnesty today to many, but here is the problem, we dare not do this until the Border is secure. It will do no good to forgive them because thousands will come behind them and we will be over run to the point that there will no longer be the United States of America but a North American Union of open borders. I ask you what form of government will we live under? How long will it be before we will be just like Mexico, Canada or any of the other Central American or South American countries? We have already lost our language, everything must be printed in Spanish also. We have already lost our history it is no longer taught in our schools. And we have lost our borders. The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going to set up a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding. The ACLU and the leftist courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally, but it was an effort to try and stop illegal's from setting up businesses, and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to local law enforcement when there is probable cause like a traffic stop to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear if you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times. That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card, Native American Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote, get a hunting license, etc.. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is going to be stopped walking down the street etc... The Socialist who are in power in Mountain Park are angry because we dare try and do something and that something the Socialist wants us to do is just let them come. They want the "Transformation" to continue. May
NO Arizonas law is nothing more than the State up holding/enforcing Federal Law. Ocularne is wrong about the law. The law strictly states people CAN NOT be stopped just for looking Hispanic or ANY OTHER Nationality. They must have first been stopped for other violations other than RACE before officers can ask for proof of citizenship. One of the articles of proof can be nothing more than a valid drivers liscense. SO WHAT"S THE PROBLEM? I've been stopped for speeding before was asked for my drivers liscense, guess I should have sued for profiling me, oh wait that didn't start until Obama took over and it was against Obama Law to be white and live by the constitution and rule of law. Silly me.
I hope the sensible people will win this battle, but as usual the liberal judges will overrule the people. Arizona has sparked a real debate, and this does need to be cleared up. Is an ILLEGAL immigrant doing something ILLEGAL or not? According to the federal gov, no! I have heard it is just a misdemeanour, not a criminal offence. If you cannot determine if it is illegal or not, how can you enforce it?
Re "...do you think the State of Arizona is being undemocratic towards anyone who it's Authorities suspected to be in this country illegally, or is it pure and simple racial profiling toward Hispanics." Neither, it is a logical attempt to solve a problem. Only racists consider the Arizona law "racist", because it applies to ALL illegals, not just illegals of a particular "race".
Perspective is everything,ask yourself this if your child is hurt and you rush to the ER and your behind 5 people who are illegally in this country and not playing by the rules ie paying taxes etc,is it fair your daughter stays in pain and has to wait when she shouldn't have to..Or what about her getting c average instead of an a because the teachers have to concentrate on illegals children and have less time for her,or your house value drops because the crime rate in your area is high due to illegals having nothing to do or work to get to feed their family.People can sit back and scream racism all day,but it truly is time to take care of this issue before it gets further out of hand.I welcome all refugees,migrant workers,any foreigner who has a right to be here,but it must be LEGAL!! .
We have no obligation to be "democratic" to someone here in violation of US Law. "The United States is a Nation of LEGAL Immigrants" You left out one very important word.
We draw the line at ILLEGAL They have no rights, no expectation of rights. With unemployment at 10% they are taking jobs Legal residents need
It isn't the illegals, it's the U.S. citizens of Hispanic decent who are being targeted by the Arizona law. Basically it states the police can demand a persons proof of citizenship and even arrest them without having to establish cause, and that is a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." What amazes me is the number of conservatives who shout about being "constitutionalists" but only when it comes to their rights to preach their religion and run around with guns.
Illegal immigrants do not get to participate in the democratic process. If they want to do that, they should enter legally, and work towards citizenship.
It only makes sense that people who are here ILLEGALLY should have no democratic rights..